Kenny: [00:00:00] Hello, everybody. Welcome to Enter The Rift Podcast, season two, episode four. Today on this episode, we are going to be talking about The Jersey Devil. I'm your host, Kenny. Joining me is my co host, Garrett.

All right, let's get into it.

Garrett: Yeah. Just peak the shit out of the mic right off the jump.

Kenny: Oh yeah. I will say a little housekeeping before we move forward. I think for. The foreseeable future we're going to be moving to a bi weekly, release schedule instead of, uh, weekly just for a while until we can get things settled in.

[00:01:00] So yeah, hopefully you guys like that. Anyway, back to the Jersey devil. So the Jersey devil is described as being a weird looking creature, kind of like a chimera. It is described as having, like, a horse like face, but dog like head. It has bat like wings, a snake like tail, sometimes described as, like, a forked or a pointed tail, and then it has very large hooven feet.

So the Jersey Devil comes from New Jersey, and it's from the region of the state called the Pine Barrens, which is a very large, wooded area, mostly of pine trees. Pretty remote part of the state that hasn't been developed nearly as much as other parts and especially back in the 1700s And when this tale originated it was very remote and it was kind of where everybody Who was like the outcasts of society went people like, you know bandits ne'er do [00:02:00] wells

Garrett: miscreants

Kenny: miscreants Yeah, runaway slaves went there and just like people who were like outcasts.

So it wasn't like a A place everyone's like, Oh yeah, let's go to the Pine Barrens. It's not, it's like,

Garrett: except for like Napoleon's brother. Cause apparently he had an encounter, didn't he?

Kenny: Yes. And we'll get into that. So let's get into the legend of the Jersey devil. The legend starts in the year 1735.

There's multiple versions of this legend. So one of the main characters goes by the name of Mrs or Mother Leeds. Also called Mrs. Shrouds, so depending on what version you see is what they'll go by, so I think for the rest of this episode, we're just gonna go by Mrs. Leeds because, or Mother Leeds, because that's gonna be the easiest way to remember.

So, at this point, Mother Leeds already had 12 other children. And upon learning that she was pregnant again,

Garrett: Close your legs, bitch!

Kenny: And upon learning that she was pregnant [00:03:00] again, She exclaimed, Let this child be of the devil.

Garrett: What a great idea. Tremendous

idea.

Kenny: So that either

happens, Depending on what version you see, Either when she learns she's pregnant, Or during labor.

During a dark and stormy night, When the child was being born, She had the child, and at first, The child looked normal, But then it transformed, and grew little bat like wings and a tail and started to fly around the room. In some versions of the tale, it kills Mrs. Leeds and a couple other people in the room of the cabin before it flies out the chimney and escapes into the Pine Barrens.

In other versions, it just beats them with its tail and flies out. And then that's the origin story of the Jersey Devil. Now, there's, like I said, There's a lot of different variations of this. There's another version of the tale. Mrs. Leeds gave birth, it was already horribly deformed, and she kept it locked in a room, in a shed.

Garrett: As one does.

Kenny: Where they

kept, [00:04:00] where they, where they stored firewood. Ah, yes. That he was only allowed to come out of the room after

Garrett: dark. Firewood and deformed Quasimodo baby. Yes, that, that's where you keep those things. Locked inside a, a cage.

Kenny: Yeah, so they kept him locked and he would only come out after dark.

And then one day during a night, uh, during a big thunderstorm is when he, uh, escaped and flew off again with his leathery wings. Another version of the tale says that, uh, Mrs. Leeds Fell in love with a British soldier during the Revolutionary War, which was, you know, a lot later than 1735. Yeah,

Garrett: and uh, so, because she banged a red coat, she gave birth to a flying bat creature?

Kenny: Yes, because she was being punished for her treachery.

Garrett: Okay.

Kenny: It doesn't make a whole lot of sense there at all.

Garrett: Uh, this is someone's

Kenny: kind of like an oddball. Yeah.

Garrett: Like, okay. I, I still don't understand how that one could draw to those conclusions. Moving on.

Kenny: Yeah, it's, that one's a little weird. Plus it's, [00:05:00] you know, like 40 some years later before the revolutionary word would even begin.

So. That one's kind of weird. I personally lead more credence to that. She cursed that baby.

Garrett: Yeah, yeah. The 40 years later from the revolution. That sounds like maybe like a, uh, like a little tale that like somebody in like high school was just like thrown together and made their own little version.

Kenny: Yeah.

It's, it's kind of strange.

Garrett: A kid's version. I just didn't get the concept right. Why is the Jersey devil bad? Uh, this, this store is really old, right? So that's like a, like a, like them red coats and they were bad. Right. So, uh, yeah.

Kenny: During the, um, 18th century in New Jersey, obviously like that's a pretty good time period for, you know, legends and superstitions.

So anything that could have happened, even if it maybe was just a child with birth deformities.

Garrett: Which even then it's cloven hooves and bat wings is, um, and a horse head. Yeah.

Kenny: [00:06:00] Yeah, and a horse like head. You can see how during that time period that

Garrett: Looney Tunes

steamroller effect on the baby.

Kenny: You can see how that time period could enable, like, things to, like, go crazy pretty pretty quickly by word of mouth.

Garrett: Wait, I imagine a bunch of drunk bastards sitting around telling stories to entertain themselves and some guy just keeps adding on to it as he goes down the line.

Kenny: After the origin in 1735, there has been hundreds of years of different sightings of the creature. So one of the first notable ones was by Commodore Stephen Decatur.

In the early 19th century, Commodore Stephen Decatur, he was an American naval hero, he was visiting the Hanover Millworks to inspect where his cannonballs were being made. And while he was there, He saw the Jersey Devil flying over the millworks. So he, what did he decide to do? He decided to shoot a cannon at it.

Garrett: This is very cartoonish. It just, yeah, I'm going to go [00:07:00] see where me cannonballs are made. Holy shit, what is that? Shoot it.

Kenny: Well, according to the tale, he fired upon the creature. It was a direct hit.

Garrett: With a cannon? With a moving object?

Kenny: It punched a round hole. Clean through the Creature, but it had no effect, and the creature continued to fly away.

Garrett: Was he, uh, smokin some rope? Gettin some of that hemp rope and lightin it up there, bud?

Kenny: Maybe it didn't have any effect on the creature because, you know, he needed it. It was just raw iron and one, it wasn't a fairy creature and two, it needed to be like blessed or something. Cause it's a devil.

Garrett: Ooh. Or, or maybe he had a little bit too much of the, uh, opium pipe

Kenny: later.

So around 1820 Napoleon Bonaparte's brother actually had a sighting as well. Napoleon's brother, Joseph. Bonaparte was once the king of Spain, and he was forced into [00:08:00] exile after he left his throne in 1813. So he ended up settling down in New Jersey because it was between New York and Philadelphia. So the were two of the major seaports at the time.

Garrett: It just sounds very weird. Thinkin. Yeah. Napoleon's brother. Yeah. He lived in Jersey. Just, you know, just, yeah, he's just Napoleon Bonaparte's brother. Just, I'm just imagining like a full Guido,

Kenny: but he, he loved the hunt. So one snowy day in the winter, he was out hunting and he came upon some strange tracks and he said, it looks like the tracks of a two footed donkey.

Garrett: This man's eatin that ergot.

Kenny: Yeah. You notice one foot was a little larger than the other. And then the tracks, while he was following them, it just ended subtly, as if the creature flew away. So after that, Bonaparte reported that he heard a strange hissing noise. When he turned around

Garrett: What's the source of the

mysterious hissing noise?

Kenny: When he turned around, he found that he was face to face [00:09:00] with the Jersey Devil. He described it as a large, winged creature with a horse like head, bird like legs. And he was just frozen in like fear and astonishment.

Garrett: I'm just imagining a dude tripping balls on ergot and seeing a stork.

Kenny: Oh my gosh.

So while he was carrying a rifle, but he didn't, he was so shocked.

He didn't do anything. He didn't try to shoot it or anything like that. After a couple of moments, he said the creature hissed at him again and then flew away. So when he went back to his, his, his estate, he reported the incident to a friend. And then they informed him that he saw the famous Jersey devil.

He's the guy who has been haunting the Pine Barrens since 1735.

Garrett: Oooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

Kenny: He said that Bonaparte was actually really impressed by this story and then he kept a lookout for it since but he never encountered it again.

Garrett: Again, I'm just picturing him as like a modern guido but wearing like historical garb all messed up.

He just goes, no shit bruh Like that. Here's the story.

Kenny: Oh my god. [00:10:00]

That's pretty funny. He's like a gold chain, black tank top.

Garrett: Yeah, yeah, yeah. But he has the Bonaparte pants. Like, with the jackboots.

Kenny: Oh

god.

Garrett: And for some reason at the time, sunglasses.

Kenny: So later during the 1800s, uh, during the 1840s, there was a lot of farmers complaining of losing livestock.

So they would find the corpses of their, their animals mutilated. There'd be weird tracks surrounding the corpse of the animal. So a lot of these were blamed on the Jersey Devil. But things really didn't Pick up sightings wise until around 1909 actually so right after the turn of the century and that's when things started to Really go up

Garrett: hell of a little lapse.

Kenny: Yeah, it went away for quite some time It was so bad in the in the 1840s that um, some people were afraid to go outside after dark But then after the [00:11:00] 1850s things started to die down a little bit until you hit 1909 And that's when there was a flurry of sightings almost causing like a mass panic. They shut down schools, there were like people like looking everywhere for it.

Garrett: So full on mass hysteria.

Kenny: Yeah.

Garrett: Maybe it was cause all the, you know, the Coca Cola they were drinking at the time.

Kenny: One of the headlines was from August the 3rd, 1909. Queer Creature Causes Alarm. Devil Horse Roams About Frightening People In Vicinity Of Philadelphia. Search Made By Armed Men. And then hunt for strange animal that makes odd footprints and runs through deep snow on only two legs.

Were some of the headlines that were going around in the newspapers.

Garrett: There is a lot of jokes that can be made with a couple of them opening lines.

Kenny: They didn't mean it like that back then.

Garrett: Look at that creature, it's a fa

Kenny: Oh my god. So the height of the sightings occurred, uh, during the week of January 16th [00:12:00] through the 23rd.

The 16th was a Saturday, and it's supposedly the Jersey Devil was sighted flying over Woodbury on the 17th in Bristol, Pennsylvania, which was Sunday. And in Bristol, Pennsylvania, several people saw the creature and tracks were found in the snow. The following day on the 18th, Burlington was covered in strange tracks that seemed to defy logic.

And some were found on rooftops, others started and stopped abruptly, with no origin or destination, like a creature was flying and then landing. And then several other towns had similar footprints. On the 19th, Nelson Evans and his wife of Gloucester found the devil outside their window at 2. 30 AM.

Garrett: He climbing in your window, he's trying to snatch your people up.

Kenny: Oh my god. So Mr. Evans gave the following account. It was about 3 feet and a half high, with a head like a collie dog, and a face like a horse. It had a long neck, wings about two feet long, and its back legs were like those of a crane, and it had horse's hooves. It walked on its back [00:13:00] legs and held up two short front legs with paws on them.

It didn't use the front legs at all while we were watching. My wife and I were scared, I tell you. But I managed to open the window and say, SHOO! And it turned around, barked at me, and flew away.

Garrett: What the f Yeah, y'all get

Kenny: That's yeah, that's really strange too. Cause also that's a lot smaller than other descriptions.

I've heard of the Jersey devil I've heard of it being much larger before like seven feet tall, you know Yeah,

Garrett: like seven ten feet tall big ass bitch like yeah, twelve foot wingspan

Kenny: And this is only three and a half feet tall Like that's still a weird creature, but that that's like literally half the size

Garrett: and barked

Kenny: on that same day to Gloucester City hunters tracked the devil's seemingly Impossible trail for 20 miles.

The trail appeared to jump fences and squeeze under eight inch gaps.

Garrett: And how did they track for 20 miles? Has anybody ever walked 20 miles through like uneven [00:14:00] ground and through the woods and through like, just like parks and shit, like it takes forever to do just two miles.

Kenny: Yeah, but they supposedly tracked it for 20 miles and it was going and under and over terrain that would be almost impossible for a Normal creature to

do.

Garrett: They tracked it even though it flew?

Kenny: I guess it didn't fly the whole way It was like starting and stopping.

Garrett: Weird.

Kenny: Yeah, it's pretty strange So then on the 20th, which was the Wednesday of that week in Haddonfield and Collingswood, posse's were formed to find the devil And supposedly they watched him fly towards Moorestown, where he was sighted by at least two people there.

On the 21st, the devil attacked a trolley car in Haddon Heights, but was chased off. Trolley cars in several other towns began to maintain armed guards. Several poultry farmers found their chickens dead. The devil was reported to have walked into an electric rail in Clayton. But if it happened, it didn't kill it.[00:15:00]

Garrett: So They shot it with

a cannonball, the bitch rode the lightning.

Kenny: Yeah, it seems to be impervious to physical attacks. It

Garrett: yeah.

Kenny: Or harm a telegraph worker near Atlantic city claimed to have shot the devil and watched him limp into the woods.

Garrett: He probably

just shot a bum wearing a fricking like a, like a poncho or something, shot some poor train car bum with a 38 and watched him fricking limp his ass back into the yard.

Kenny: Right. But it seemed to not do much because it was, the devil was later seen visiting Philadelphia and West Collingwoods, New Jersey. Where it was hosed by the local fire department.

Garrett: Because of course it was.

Kenny: Later, it said that the devil prepared to attack nearby people who threw whatever they could find at it.

And then right as it was going to strike, it flew away. It said later he emerged in Camden and injured a dog, ripping a chunk of flesh out of the dog before the dog's owner drove it away. And that was supposedly the first attack on a living [00:16:00] creature that was witnessed. And this all happened on Thursday.

The trolley car attacks, everything, happened just in one day. And then on the 22nd, which was Friday, which, which was the last day of sightings. So this was when many towns in this area of, uh, Pennsylvania and New Jersey were just in a mass panic. Businesses and schools were closing down. That day it was seen a couple times, but it didn't, supposedly it did not attack anything.

Garrett: So it can take a

cannonball to the chest, but if you throw a rock at it, it pussies out.

Kenny: It will run away. Yeah.

Garrett: I mean, this thing sounded like a bitch.

Kenny: So that was like the, the craziest sightings where it was something was going around and causing a mass panic, but it's been cited pretty much every decade since.

So after the flap in 1909, if you go forward almost 20 years in 1927, in the middle of the night [00:17:00] in Salem city, New Jersey, a cab driver reportedly pulled over for a flat tire. There weren't any streetlights to illuminate the road. So it was very dark. As the driver left his vehicle to fix the tire, he heard a lot of terrifying screeches.

And then suddenly, a large creature appeared from the woods and attacked him. While the thing was trying to attack him, he rushed back into his car, and then it continued to pound on his car as if it was trying to get to him, but then eventually it gave up and flew off.

Garrett: Well, that's um, shit your pants territory.

Kenny: Yeah, you're just changing a tire and all of a sudden this thing comes

Garrett: in the pitch black.

Kenny: Comes and

flies at you, yeah.

Garrett: Yeah, cuz unless that man had a hurricane lantern in his freaking, you know, in his car somewhere He had no light whatsoever unless he's like burning a match.

Kenny: Right.

Garrett: I mean it could have been a like a deer coming up because they rear up and they You know smack the shit out of you.

Kenny: Yeah, I mean [00:18:00] sometimes they they will attack you and if you're if it's dark and you're panicking Who's to say like it wasn't just like a like a buck that was like trying to like beat your ass.

Garrett: Smack the piss out of them. Yeah,

Kenny: I'm sure everyone's seen those videos online of like that guy who fighting a deer and it's like beating the hell out of them.

Garrett: Yeah, throwing hands like Mike Tyson. Yeah

Kenny: Then if we jump to the 1950s in November of 1951 a group of Uh, kids were allegedly cornered by the Jersey Devil at the DuPort Clubhouse in Gibbstown. And supposedly dozens of people saw the creature, but it bounded away without harming anybody. But during that sighting, there was allegedly dozens of witnesses.

Garrett: Yeah, so, like, again, like, what are these people seeing? Like, is it, is it legit, or is this just a guy who told a story and said that a dozen people saw it?

Kenny: Right.

Garrett: Or was it just a kangaroo with a kite duct taped to it?

Kenny: Then, in the 60s, in 1961, uh, two [00:19:00] couples were driving through the Pine Barrens, and they insisted the Jersey Devil landed on top of their car.

They were terrified and feared the creature would crush their vehicle with them inside it. So, what did they do? They, they all got out of the vehicle and ran into the woods.

Garrett: You what? Uh, uh, uh, mm.

Kenny: So they ran and hid

Garrett: Logic!

Kenny: And hid into the woods. Eventually they heard a shill scream and they saw the creature flying away.

And then they were turned to their vehicle of which the top was badly dented in.

Garrett: So why didn't they just keep driving?

Kenny: I don't know. If it's so big and you're worried that it's gonna like cave the roof of the vehicle in and it's trying to get you, why would you get out of the vehicle and run into the woods?

Where it can just pick you off one by one?

Garrett: These were white people, wasn't it?

Kenny: It does not say, but I would assume so.

Garrett: Well, I guarantee you, a brother's not going, I ain't getting out of this, bitch.

Kenny: Oh my God.

Garrett: All right. You just drive. I [00:20:00] mean, just gun it, do something. Nah, I'm gonna step outside and have a word with him.

Kenny: Oh my gosh. In April of 1966, there was a bunch of mutilated dogs and livestock near the, uh, Mullica River. And then in one incident, more than 40 animals were badly mangled and killed. One of the animals was a 90 pound German Shepherd that had its throat cut out. So like, what, what could do that? And like, uh,

Garrett: Possible black bear?

Kenny: Maybe? I don't know. Supposedly they found some footprints, like, very large footprints in the area where the animals were killed, but the ground was too wet, um, to like, track it or make any plaster casts. So kind of like the livestock and animal mutilations and deaths continues in the 70s And it seems like a lot of people were blaming the Jersey Devil on that.

Garrett: Possibly alien big cat.

Kenny: Maybe.

Garrett: There, change it out for another cryptid. I mean mountain lions have been sighted within this area, and that's [00:21:00] you know, recently. So I, not too far from New Jersey, especially the Pine Barrens. I mean that seems like something where black bears and mountain lions would be.

Kenny: Yeah, it's very possible this was a misidentification.

People went crazy with it. Then if we jump to the 1990s, in the early 90s there were four college students that were camping in the Pine Barrens when they were, woke up in the middle of the night by high pitched cries and something stomping on the outside of their tent. So the, apparently the night was a full moon and all four of them saw a creature walking on two animal legs?

I think they meant like hind legs that bent backwards as opposed to like a normal

Garrett: It was a

crackhead on drywall stilts. Ha, ha, ha.

Kenny: Then one of the girls who were camping screamed and then the thing spread its wings and it flew away. Once daylight hit, they packed all their belongings and they went. To one of the girls's home, and they didn't actually make an official lease report, [00:22:00] but one of the girls' brothers went to the campsite to see where it happened, but it started to rain.

So any kind of footprints or or anything were, were washed away.

Garrett: Coincidence.

Kenny: Yeah.

Then if we jumped to 2009, a woman and her husband had driven out to the pine barrens after midnight to shoot a new gun they had purchased. I don't know why you're going out at night into a

Garrett: To the Pine Barrens.

Kenny: The Pine

Barrens to shoot a gun.

I don't know why you'd Wouldn't go to a range in the daytime, but whatever.

Garrett: Okay, I think I know what's going on here. That dude was going to kill his wife and he chickened out. He was going to pop her. Come on, honey. We're going to try out this new gun. It'll be fun. Why are we going at night? Why are we going to the Pine Barrens?

Why are you asking so many questions?

Kenny: But after, I guess they were done shooting, they head back to their car. When they headed back to their car, they heard loud. Flapping noises overhead and notice the tops of the trees were swaying although there was no wind the wife had her left her cell phone [00:23:00] in The car, but they couldn't find it And while they were standing at the vehicle with both doors open something threw the phone at her smashing it So thoroughly it was totally destroyed.

So then they hopped into the car and they drove off and they heard birds all over the place they heard large flapping, like the sound of large wings flapping, and they were, both felt that they were in impending danger, so they, they flew off. Like, they drove really, really fast.

Garrett: So he just yeets the phone at the bitch's melon and just screeches at her.

Kenny: Yeah. Yeah.

Garrett: Cause even the Jersey Devil's like, kill this mouthy bitch!

Kenny: Oh my gosh.

Then in the spring of 2011, uh, a man by the name of Nicholas Sakalowskas? His mother and a friend were returning

Garrett: Nicholas De Pollock .

Kenny: His mother and a friend were returning from the Bamboozle Festival in Ashbury Park when a bi,

Garrett: the Pollock got bamboozled,

oh how .

The turntables, [00:24:00]

Kenny: they were returning from the

Bamboozle Festival in Ashbury Park when a bipedal animal ran across the road in front of him. The headlights he said, were shining directly on the creature, but they were only able to see it from the leg up to the hip area. And the rest of the thing was completely black.

They were all speechless until his friend broke the silence and asked, Was that the freaking Jersey Devil? So it seems like sightings are Getting, as time goes on, getting less and less, uh, uh, extravagant. I don't know how he's

Garrett: Yeah, just more, like, frequent, like, they, yeah, like, I saw something, it was, uh, something, that was it.

That's about it. Maybe it was the Jersey Devil, I don't know.

Kenny: And then, if you go to, like, October of 2015, there were supposedly two more sightings of the devil, with one man supposedly getting a picture of it. And then later, a woman submitted a video of the Jersey Devil. However, um They both looked kind of fake, so they were dismissed as hoaxes, and I've, I've [00:25:00] seen the picture of the, from the, the picture, not the video, and it looks like, yeah, it looks pretty, it looks like pretty fake.

So I would not be surprised if it was like a, a hoax at all.

Garrett: Yeah, all I could think about was that episode of Lost Tapes on Animal Planet when we were a

kid.

Kenny: It was a good show.

Garrett: Yeah.

Kenny: Very cheesy, but very good.

Garrett: Yee. Couldn't sleep after that whole, uh, weird little vampire in a wall episode.

Kenny: That was the best episode.

Garrett: Yeah, that was the creepiest.

Kenny: So, a lot of people were saying that the Jersey Devil is obviously just a legend, and that what a lot of people were seeing was actually just a sandhill crane, which that could explain why it's only, like the one couple in the early 1900s said it was like three and a half feet tall.

Sandhill cranes, they're big birds, but they're not, you know, that big. We're not like seven feet tall. They Don't have a horse's head. So do you think what people were seeing a misidentified animal and they [00:26:00] were going to kind of going off of that?

Garrett: I'd say it's a combination of that people making tall tales and I don't know, maybe a touch of, uh, you know, maybe some intoxicant of some kind and also maybe some schizophrenia, full schizo.

Kenny: Obviously, I think something must have happened in 1909 because like there was numerous sightings and people were just going crazy. It could have just been a mass hysteria where they saw like a bird flying and they're like, Oh my God, it's the Jersey devil. And then, you know,

that's

very possible.

Garrett: But definitely the whole cannonball is straight up bullshit.

Kenny: Yeah. Who knows about the stories from that far back?

Garrett: Yeah.

Kenny: And then obviously some of these sightings are probably just straight up hoaxes like people were just saying they saw something

Garrett: Like I'm telling you man. It was the Jersey Devil. Meanwhile, it was like a deer jumped over a [00:27:00] freaking, you know, an embankment He was just like, I just had a full freakout moment or you know, like the guy in the 20s just get his shit pushed in

Kenny: Getting the shit beat out of him while he's trying to change his tire

Garrett: Or the one guy who decided he said I shot it shot it well during the trains were getting switched out meanwhile It's probably just some wino in a poncho

Kenny: But for good or bad the Jersey Devil definitely left its mark even just on the culture of New Jersey I mean, now there's like the Jersey Devils, it's like sports teams, there's people, uh, you know, selling all kinds of like stickers and merch and everything.

And

Garrett: yeah, kind of like how the whole Mothman thing. Yeah.

Kenny: And there's often now more of a pretty big, uh, or not, I don't know how big, but there is a tourism draw to the Pine Barrens. Like, cause people, you know, they want to go see the area. They want to camp there. They want to maybe have like a potential run in with the Jersey [00:28:00] Devil.

To their own investigations of it.

Garrett: Yeah.

Kenny: There is a, uh, a folklorist by the name of Angus Gillespie.

Garrett: What a name.

Kenny: And he actually thinks that's a really bad thing. He says the Jersey Devil is evil. And he says it's known for slitting the throats of babies in their cribs. It's not a cartoon. It's a monster.

Garrett: Show me the evidence, my dude. Where's all these babies getting their shit slit?

Kenny: I mean, there probably is a story of, like, something really, really evil. Like, that the Jersey Devil supposedly attributed it to. But I would agree it's, I mean, it's probably not the best thing to like, have like a bunch of things like, Oh, this is the devil, but I mean, how many teams are like the devils, the blue devils, the, um, how many things are called devil, this devil, that like, it's been a thing in culture for like hundreds of years.

Garrett: I don't think it's going to literally [00:29:00] draw and piss off the entity because tourism.

Kenny: Yeah. I mean, I think maybe the point he was trying to get across was that. Things like this shouldn't just be taken lightly and like made light of but like and on the one hand like Mocking something is like a good way to like diminish it.

Garrett: Yeah. Another thing is uh, dude, you're telling me you take this shit serious

Kenny: Yeah, who knows? I think people were definitely seeing something now what they were seeing I have no clue and if you go back to like the 17 or 18 hundreds. Like who knows what was, what was going on? It's been so long ago. Who knows?

Garrett: Yeah. Like people could just be making shit up at that point. I mean, who's going to fact check them?

Kenny: Right.

Garrett: Could be as simple as I don't want them coming around my property. Let's make, let's make some shit up.

Kenny: Uh, some people have said like, maybe it was just like something that like people told their kids to keep them from going into the pine barrens

Garrett: more than likely.

Kenny: Who knows? I think [00:30:00] people were seeing something, now what they were seeing, I don't know.

Garrett: Yeah, could have been a sandhill crane, could have been a black bear making tracks and tearing up animals, could have been a homeless wino wearing a poncho, could have been a kangaroo with a kite duct taped to it, the world may never know.

Kenny: Who knows? Thank you for listening to this episode of Enter the Rift Podcast. If you've enjoyed it, uh, please let us know, share it with your friends. And, uh, if you have any feedback for us, just let us know. What would you want to hear about? What do you think we could improve on? Thanks for listening, everybody.

Garrett: [00:31:00] Peace.