The Mysterious Frogman of Loveland Ohio

Kenny: [00:00:00] Hello, everybody. Welcome back to Into the Rift podcast, season two, episode three. I'm your host, Kenny. Joining me is my brother and co host, Garrett.

Garrett: Yo.

Kenny: Today on this episode, we are going to be talking about the Loveland Frogman of Loveland, Ohio.

Garrett: They're putting chemicals in the water to turn the freaking frogs gay.

Kenny: Oh, my God.

Ha ha ha . Have you ever been driving around the little Miami river in southwest Ohio and you just happen to look over and you see a humanoid frog creature climbing over the guardrail with a wand about to blast your [00:01:00] ass with a magical spell?

Garrett: I cast magic missile! Don't worry about the anthropomorphic frog, he's just cosplaying.

He's just LARPing.

Kenny: Yep, it's just a little, just a little, uh Furry, who's not so furry.

Garrett: Perhaps a little scaly.

Kenny: So as we said, this takes place in Loveland, Ohio, which is a small town in the southwestern part of the state. Uh, it runs right alongside the Little Miami river. And it's a pretty small town. At the 2020 census, it only had a population of around 13, 000.

So, pretty small. The original story happened, or I should say the original sighting happened, back in the early 1950s, around 1952. Some sources I've seen say, like, 1955, others say 1957, so there's some confusion on when exactly this occurred. But, um, the one [00:02:00] source I see here, it said that the event actually happened in 1952, it was just reported in 1955.

So in this report in 1952, it was about 4 a. m. on a March night while driving through Branch Hill on his way to Loveland, a businessman saw in the beams of his headlights a What appeared to be three men kneeling at the right side of the road. His first impression was that somebody was hurt or some crazy guys were having fun.

Curious, he stopped his car and got out for a better look. To his surprise, he discovered that the figures were non human and about three feet tall. They were not green, but rather a grayish color, including their garments. These tight fitting, stretched over with a lopsided chest, which bulged at the shoulder to the armpit.

Garrett: Now it just sounds like they're describing me.

Kenny: Oh my

god.

Over this bulbousness hung a slender arm noticeably longer than its opposite member, save for only a fleeting impression of something baggy. [00:03:00] The legs and feet were obscured by the weeds and brush. Their heads were ugly, said the businessman, reminding him of a frog's face, mostly because of the mouth which spanned in a thin line across a smooth gray face.

While Honeycutt thought the eyes without brows seemed normal, the nose was indistinct and the pat of the head had a paintest on hair like effect, like a plastic doll. It was corrugated or like rolls of fat running horizontally over a bald head. The middle biped and the one closest to him was first seen, with his arms upraised.

They were raised about a foot or so above the head, he said, and holding a dark chain or a stick, which emitted blue white sparks jumping from one hand to the other. As he approached, he said the biped then lowered its arm with the chain as if to tie it around his ankles. He said he wanted to get closer, but by the time he had reached the front fender of his car, the little man made a slight, unnatural move towards him.

As if motioning me not to come any [00:04:00] closer. For about three minutes, he said, the businessman said he stood still, just watching, too amazed to be afraid. The next thing he remembered, he was on his way to Fritz's office. So that's like the main story. Supposedly this happened to a Robert Honeycutt. However, there's been multiple variations of the story.

Uh, there's been a version where it's the man, Robert Honeycutt. There's been a couple variations where it's either a traveling businessman or a traveling salesman. And there's some versions of the story where there are, instead of along the bank, they're like under a bridge or they're on top of a bridge.

It depends on where you hear it from. The thing is, they were, well, could be by a bridge, but there's numerous bridges in that town. It's hard to narrow down which one it is. Or, you know, if this even happened, because there are so many variations to this story, was this actually an eyewitness sighting, or was this [00:05:00] just like an urban legend?

And, as you can see, there's a variation between they were frog like, but they, only because of their mouth, but they didn't look like a big humanoid frog, like what's described. In the later encounters. So, um, what did this dude see? Was it like aliens? Was it like gray? It seems like the next thing he remembered he was also on his way to another office.

So that's like, does he have some missing time? Did they zap him with that magic wand thing to make him Neuralize like Men in Black?

Garrett: They hit him with that forget me stick.

Kenny: Yeah,

Garrett: but yeah It's definitely giving me like kind of the same vibes as like the melon heads that we covered in like season one it's The urban legend vibe, you know, there's no real definitive story, but it's prevalent enough to still be known, you know, many decades after the fact.

Kenny: Yeah.

Garrett: Plus, I mean, you hear about a big ol frog [00:06:00] with a wizard on, you know, just over there casting spells and shit. I mean, most people would be like, yeah, that's, that's, that's interesting enough for me to remember.

Kenny: Right?

Garrett: Big ol bipedal frog, just going, you know, magic missile, you know, or some shit. Yeah.

Also, I wasn't aware that there was, uh, free of the, uh, entities. I, I just assumed it was just like a one off event with like just a singular entity.

Kenny: No, so like the, the legend here, the first sighting had three humanoid or bipedal beings. They were only like, remotely frog like in that they had long, thin mouths.

20 years later, there were two other separate sightings that we're gonna get into. So, the big sightings that everyone knows about for the Loveland Frogman happened 20 years later. In 1972, at 1 a. m. on March 3rd, 1972, a police officer named Ray Shockey was driving along Riverside Drive, heading into Loveland.

Garrett: What a name. It sounds [00:07:00] like a 1970s era New York punk scene name. That name, Shockey. Sounds like some dude who'd be like a Dollar General ripoff of the Sex Pistols. You know, kind of thing. Oh

Kenny: my god. So he was heading into Loveland. He claimed to have been driving carefully due to it being icy. A creature scurried across the front of the road right in front of his vehicle.

So he stopped. He had the creature fully illuminated in his headlights. So he said the creature was about three to four feet tall, 50 to 75 pounds, and had leathery skin like a lizard or a frog. The creature was crouched like a frog, but then it stood up, just stood erect, and it stared directly at him. It then climbed over the guardrail, back down towards the river.

Later, Officer Shocky's fellow officers claimed to find scratch marks on the guardrail, but there wasn't any photographic evidence to actually support that claim. Then two weeks later, on St. Patrick's Day, another police [00:08:00] officer, Mark Matthews, claimed to encounter the creature. In a similar fashion, he saw something crouched alongside the ice slickened road.

He intended to remove what he thought was a dead or injured animal. So he stopped the car and exited, and that's when the creature lurched up from its crouch. Supposedly, Officer Matthews drew his sidearm and discharged his weapon at the creature. Afterwards, the creature hobbled towards the guardrail, climbing over it and out of sight.

His description of what he saw matched Officer Shocky's, except he said it had a tail.

Garrett: More of a tadpole stage. Maybe this is like a juvenile frog man.

Kenny: Right.

Garrett: And, yeah, I would proceed to ventilate if, uh, I pulled up on something like that myself. I'm about to stitch you from heel to asshole if you start procking towards me at all.

Oh my god. Especially if you start waving around that little magic stick. Pause. No ditty. I mean his wizard wand, not his, uh [00:09:00] Well, you don't know. I guess that's why they call him the frog man. Oh. Start waving on that wand. All I can think of is, uh, The officer, he pulls up to the precinct. He's over there, he's talking to the chief.

He has a full Monty Python moment. He turned me into a newt. A newt!

Kenny: I got better.

Garrett: Heh. I got better. Yeah. What, what spells you think the, uh, little reptilian man's slinging? Heh heh heh.

Kenny: Who, who knows?

Garrett: I cast NARCAN! I ruin your high! Ha ha ha ha ha ha! Okay, so hear me out. So, this happened around the river, correct?

Yes. And, let's just, for a minute here. So, creature, about three foot tall, all sorts of shit. Um, carrying around. What [00:10:00] looks like a wand or at least some kind of stick with a light on it. What if he just shot a kid playing with a tra in a trash bag trying to make like a, like a, you know, Like a scuba suit.

Kenny: Well, um, I'm assuming if it was a kid, it probably just would have dropped.

Garrett: Well, he said he shot at it. Didn't say if he hit it because it didn't say about any blood or any sort of Biological matter left behind. Just that he shot at it and it scurried away, which I love the word to use, it scurried. Hear me out, three foot tall.

What if he just shot a kid?

Kenny: What if you just shot a kid? Oh my god. Well, it wouldn't have been the first time, or the last time, that a police officer shot somebody. Um.

Garrett: God dang it Sparky, you shot another hair lip.

Kenny: Oh my god. But yeah, between the two officers there, they both saw something, supposedly, that was 3 4 feet tall, around 50 75 pounds, frog or lizard like.

But another thing is like, is that something that they actually saw? [00:11:00] Cause later on, Officer Matthews. Uh, he,

Garrett: where's Dave man .

Kenny: He later, he later rec, uh, recanted his story and he said that, oh, I didn't actually see that, that it was, it was actually just a big iguana.

Garrett: Excuse me. And what time of year was this?

Kenny: mid-March. And with, and it's cold enough to have icy roads.

Garrett: Yeah, exactly. And uh, you're telling me you're in Ohio and it was in iguana. Yeah. You smoking dick, it gets

Kenny: cold.

Garrett: Like you must be smoking dick if you're sick. And I'm believing that. I honestly would believe it is more you saw an interdimensional frog being before you saw a iguana in the middle of freaking, you know, an ice storm in Ohio.

Kenny: He said, I know no one would believe me, so I shot it. And then he said that it was a large iguana about three or three and a half feet long. The animal was missing its tail, which is why he didn't immediately recognize it. He said the thing was half dead anyway, so I shot it.

Garrett: [00:12:00] Okay, now I'm not saying this is entirely impossible at this point, but he said free foot.

Yeah. With no tail. Iguana.

Kenny: Well, the, his report said that the, what was different between his and Officer Shockey's is that it had a tail.

Garrett: Oh. So in his

Kenny: story, it had a tail, or at least when he first reported it.

Garrett: Okay, but again.

Kenny: But then later he recanted and said it was missing its tail.

Garrett: Yeah, so you're changing the story a lot.

I think it's more like you faced a ton of ridicule, and we're like, nah dog, I swear, it was just an iguana.

Kenny: Do you think that's what it was like you think and so instead of just trying for like Trying to like defend his reputation for like forever. He just finally just like gave up. It was just an Iguana

Garrett: I say that's highly probable if this is even at all, you know, if this story holds water, you know, like if it's true I would say yeah more than likely.

It's like he faced a ton of [00:13:00] ridicule And decided to change the shit because I mean, okay, let's have the possibility of some, but I don't know, they got out of those fricking Sears catalog at that point. And then, you know, they, they ordered a fricking Iguana and they found in the back of a freaking comic book entirely possible.

We've had family members who owned monkeys from that way. Just the idea, maybe is that maybe just shot a monkey that he got out of the Sears catalog, but just a monkey out there. If a flashlight is like the battery's dying. So it's just cast a dim globe and not a direct beam. And he just. You know, but, uh, uh, yeah.

Okay. So I go on, uh, we'll reassess the whole story as being truthful. It's a iguana. How did it get to Ohio? Did someone just buy it out of the back of a comic book or for those who don't know, yes, you could do that. We've had a family member who owned monkeys and all that kind of shit at the time, actually around the same time period.

The idea of it still having enough. [00:14:00] in an icy conditions for a reptile to still be able to like, you know, like really run around. It had to be like just getting out of someone's care recently, like within like 30

Kenny: minutes. Supposedly he said he figured that it was living near the pipes that released water that was used for cooling the ovens in the boot factory as a way to stay warm.

Garrett: Well, that's more probable. But if you just shot some dude's pet, Iguana, which is a reptile, and this is sitting on icy roads, that dude probably heard you shoot it. Which means you got an awkward conversation to have with a dude who's trying to get his pet back and you just ventilated it.

Kenny: Well, he also said in his original report that it climbed over a guardrail and kept his eyes on him while it was slinking away towards the river.

And it's like, Iguanas don't do

Garrett: that.

Kenny: If it's in the mid 30s the thing is even if it was just it's gonna lose its body heat pretty quick

Garrett: [00:15:00] Yeah, it's gonna slow down. It's gonna be really fast. Yeah, it's if it's even moving at all it's gonna be lethargic to the point of it's not probably gonna climb because if anybody has seen like we have any listeners in Florida or any areas with iguanas When it gets cold out them bitches fall from the trees So it's like, if they can't even hold on, stay still, you think it's really going to be running around on ice and climbing over guardrails and shit?

And why, it's a iguana, why'd it have to crawl over the guardrail? Why didn't it just scurry under? Again, I'm using the word scurry because he did it, and it's a fun word to say. You also gotta do the little finger movements when you get scurried.

Kenny: So who knows what they actually, actually saw. I don't believe that the first officer, Shockey, I don't know if he's ever actually recanted his account like Matthews has.

So who knows what they actually saw.

Garrett: Yeah. And there's a bit of variation with like. The traveling businessman slash [00:16:00] salesman, whatever, with like the, the free entities in the chain and all that, that, that was just fricking bizarre. So we have a possibility of free or more of these entities. If they are, you know, Iguanas in Ohio, that's a weird one to come up with.

But, um, what's weirder. Somebody makes up a story about a frog man, or here's an Iguana living in the pipes in Ohio.

Kenny: Yeah.

Garrett: And this is also in the fifties. So it's like, or was this the one in 72?

Kenny: These are the ones that happened in 1972.

Garrett: Okay. So more probable that, you know, somebody would know of a Guana, but it's again, it's, it's, it's a very, at that point niche animal to bring up.

Kenny: It is.

Garrett: Yeah. Cause Pet reptiles really not that common in the 70s, I don't think.

Kenny: Probably not. I

Garrett: mean for a guy in Ohio to just be like, you know what I want? An iguana. I'm gonna go order it. You know, unless it was just like stoned to the gills and found in the back of a comic book like I mentioned before.

[00:17:00] But who just in Ohio is like in the 70s is like, yeah, an iguana. That'd be tight.

Kenny: Yeah, who knows

Garrett: how to get there, you know, I mean like

Kenny: either someone bought it and released it or they were just thinking it Was cold out and you know, it is gonna die from the cold so who cares but like

Garrett: but even then like how did it?

Get in Ohio. Is it a pet? Is it just there? Is it a lab animal?

Kenny: Yeah, I don't know. Oh, there we

Garrett: go. There's the fury. The London Frogman is an escaped lab animal with the 1950s sci fi shit. So of course it grew out of some metamorphic soup. Nice. Took one sip and grew legs. Started walking around slinging spells.

They're putting chemicals in the water and it turned to freaking frog's magic.

Kenny: Those aren't frogs. But those aren't the last supposed sightings of the Loveland Frogman. Supposedly, back in 2000, so we jump forward another 28 years, uh, [00:18:00] this person, uh, bought a house by the Loveland Castle Museum in 2000. It was perched above the ravine and creek, and the back of the house dropped off very steeply.

There would have been enough room for a man or a bipedal person to stand behind the house, but the basement windows were eye level and the first floor was quite far up from the place where one could stand. The person who wrote this statement says the reason I point this out is that because it was a very small house, we had to use the basement for our two boys bedroom.

They kept complaining that something kept looking in the window at them and my husband and I laughed it off at first. It was a wooded setting, very rural and beautiful, and very dark at night, having no streetlights. So it seemed funny that we were thinking that something was watching them. We told them maybe it was just a deer, and then went about our business.

One night, however, I woke up hearing a weird sound just outside our bedroom window on the first floor. It faced out the back of the house, and I was puzzled as to what it could be, because it sounded like a man, breathing heavily. I started to sit up, and realized that [00:19:00] whatever it was, it was looking in my window, just inches from my head, and I was terrified.

I did not look out because I knew that I would see it, and I kept feeling something urging me to look. We would often hear squeaking noises, screeching, not like an owl, and a crying baby. I woke my husband up, and he said whatever it was, it would have to have been ten feet tall to look in our window. I couldn't sleep that night, but whatever had been there, it had moved on.

I didn't mention it to the kids the next day. The boys came out from the basement shaken, seeing the red glowing eyes the night before. They're every bit as big as red road reflectors, and they heard heavy breathing, and the hair on their body stood up on end. They said this is the only, this was only one experience that they had in Loveland, Ohio, and it's right by the Little Miami River.

They had other kinds of paranormal experiences as well. So this person. Didn't get a good look at it But like who's to say there [00:20:00] wasn't another creature kind of like what they saw whether it was the first round in the 50s or the 70s that was like coming out of the same river and Deciding to like menace a family.

Garrett: Yeah. I mean at this point it sounds almost like fey like activity

Kenny: Yeah, maybe maybe there's like a frog fey creature

Garrett: Yeah, just chilling on his toadstool then the sides down to get Get that family out, out of, I don't know, maybe the kids are messing up his little squatting hole. It seems weird that he's, he's been like, particularly messing with the kids at first.

And, then, but the ten foot tall part though, that seems more like maybe he was climbing up the, cause if it's three foot tall in the other stories, unless this bitch kept growing for twenty years. Which, at that point, Where are you hiding? But, uh, 10 foot frogman with a wizard staff is a little bit more noticeable than 3 foot tall little frogman wizard.

[00:21:00] But another point, I get that it's different. time period, and everybody's worried about, you know, creepy, you know, dudes trying to, you know, abduct kids back then. It's pretty unheard of. But the fact that your kids come up to you and they're like, There's some buddy or something outside our window and it's watching us at night.

I would be a little bit more concerned than like, okay, It'd be one thing to be like, there's a monster in my closet, uh, I heard a noise when I wanted to get water. Yeah, so that's one thing, that's to be like, it's like, it's kids, they don't, the house is settling, blah, blah, blah. Or, you know, it was a tree branch, it was brushing against the window.

But instead it says, there's a man outside, breathing heavy on my window, mom. And you're just like, that's probably a deer.

Kenny: You know, yeah

Garrett: Yeah, it's nothing yeah, don't worry about go back to bed

Kenny: But another thing with the glowing eyes there was the most recent sighting And this one was actually more of a direct sighting actually took place in [00:22:00] 2016 kid at the time The name is Sam Jacobs was playing Pokemon go with his girlfriend and this took place in mid august So he said he cost the train tracks to the bank of Lake Isabella when he spotted something strange You And he says that we saw a huge frog near the water, not in the game of Pokemon Go, this was an actual giant frog, and if anyone's played Pokemon Go, you'd realize if you had half a brain cell you wouldn't confuse that.

Anyway, I digress. He said the thing stood up and walked on its hind legs. He goes, I realize this sounds crazy, but I swear on my grandmother's graves this is the truth. He, Jacob's claim, the frog stood four feet tall and he had a dark blurry picture of like a frog like Silhouette with like glowing eyes like eyeshine.

He says I'm not quite sure if this was a frog man or just a giant frog Either way, I've never seen anything like this before Well, I mean if it stood up and walked on its [00:23:00] hind legs, I'd say that's more frog man than just frog.

Garrett: Yeah, cuz when was the last time you saw a normal frog stand up right and just kind of eyeball your ass like it's Posting up like one of the stoop like waiting for you to cross its freaking path Like

Kenny: we're dancing around like Looney Tunes with the top hat

Garrett: or that But uh Like, again, like, okay.

So, uh, it's just a normal, giant frog. Yeah. They just stand up. Right. And eyeball you, you know, like normal frogs.

Kenny: And even just seeing a four foot tall frog, a four or Yeah, a four foot long frog. Like

Garrett: Exactly. I be like, dude, this is Ohio. So like normal frogs, uh, fit around the size of a grown man's palm versus Oh, it's like.

Titty height. It's like, you know, like, it's like, uh, yeah, upright. Something's not quite right here. Yeah. No. My homie, you're smoking crack.

Kenny: Yeah. Who knows? But the picture is, it's kind of like a, I don't know, stereotypical [00:24:00] blurry photo that a lot of like cryptid sightings have, but you can clearly see like in the water, there's a frog like silhouette.

It has two very large eyes that are glowing from like eyeshine from like the flash or whatever. The camera. And you know how whenever you see on video or a picture when an animal has eyeshine the eyes look a lot bigger

Garrett: it's kind of like

Kenny: that if it wasn't a hoax or

Garrett: Yeah, cuz

Kenny: you know the guy actually sees something and got a picture of it

Garrett: if it's not just forced perspective of a frog That's like taking close in the evening because it's it's like blurry, you know typical Photo like you said, it's very shadowy.

You can't really get a lot of detail. Let's say it's just you know forced perspective photo And he just made a story up about it because he heard about the Irving legends. It's still just, it seems very, uh, weird for you to mention certain things, because the whole, like, being four foot tall thing, and then just be like, it's just a big frog.

Kenny: It's gonna be [00:25:00] like, it's still, it's not just like a four foot tall frog. Amphibians haven't, that big, haven't existed in thousands of years, back to, like, was it the Anticorpian period? A very long time ago.

Garrett: Yeah. Oh, so maybe it is a big froggy ghost.

Kenny: Yeah, it turns out it's the, it's just a, uh, Like

Garrett: a time slip situation, or maybe he went back in time playing Pokemon Go.

Like, oh, oh, oh, big frog.

Kenny: Yeah, he, uh, accidentally had a time slip to the, uh, squamizomic period.

Garrett: Yeah. That, or he found a froggy wizard getting jiggy with it. They're

Kenny: getting jiggy with it

Garrett: And skittering sorry, was it was it skittering or scurrying? Yes scurrying. Yeah, he he was scurrying and getting jiggy with it

Kenny: Start playing some disco.

Garrett: Yeah, or will smith [00:26:00] Regardless this this whole situation is very bizarre.

Kenny: Yeah Do you think that people actually saw a cryptid or or do you think that this was all an urban legend that's made up? Like what are your thoughts?

Garrett: Honest thoughts is that this is more than likely just urban legend But the photo it seems like could have been either Possibly forced perspective or like maybe it could have just been like one of his homies down there in the creek holding up freaking car reflectors You know just palming it on his head like freaking Pan's Labyrinth for some reflectors

Kenny: It would

Garrett: give you that silhouette if anybody's seen the picture.

It looks like you were just like palming like two, uh, like orange road reflectors on your head and like staring up at a bank.

Kenny: And maybe with it being like close to sunset, it was just dark enough to obscure their image.

Garrett: Yeah, I mean, you're talking 2016 cell phone cameras, which are very hit or miss.

Kenny: Yeah, not as good as what we have now.

Garrett: Yeah, I mean, In low [00:27:00] lighting, cell phone cameras, still most of them suck ass. I mean, you get a nice perspective going. I mean, for example, right now, obviously no one else can see this, but I am wearing like all black. I'm sitting in a room that has black curtains behind me and I'm in a black chair. I look like a floating head.

So it's just like, I mean, that's one of my. Ultra, so older phones look like potatoes. I mean, it's just nothing but noise from the image. So like, yeah,

Kenny: this is a pretty noisy image.

Garrett: Yeah. So it seemed it would be very easy to like fake one, or it could be a forced perspective photo of a frog, or it could be superimposed.

Kenny: Yeah.

Garrett: Who knows? Or it could be. A interdimensional frogman getting jiggy with it, as one does.

Kenny: That too. In any case though, it, it's kind of become like a local mascot for the town. So like now there's, there's even like a frogman festival. It's gonna happen actually this year [00:28:00] again, March 2nd and, uh, March 1st and 2nd.

Garrett: Which I would be very interested in attending because, of course, the frogman is cool. Like, he is one of the coolest. But the story itself is very, uh, yeah, I'm not buying a dog.

Kenny: Yeah, I feel like a lot of small towns to have some kind of story like this are leaning into it to embrace like cryptid tourism.

Like obviously Point Pleasant has the famous Mothman Festival every September. And that's bringing a lot of money into the town, and maybe Loveland will get a portion of that with their little frogman festival every year.

Garrett: Yeah, and that would be really cool because I live in a very small town and the only creepy cryptid we have is the homeless guy who wears trash bags on his leg and eats unrefrigerated hot dogs out of his pocket.

I am not joking. He's been living in the same, like, spot of woods [00:29:00] for 14 years. This man isn't, well actually he might be dead now. Um, I was, I met him when I was working in the park service. And, yes, he, he lives out there by choice. He's not homeless, like, he's just crazy. We just call him Crazy Gary. He eats animal crackers and unrefrigerated hot dogs only.

And wears trash bags on his legs. He's also like 74. Well, was. He's probably dead now because he got trapped in a portage on in the winter like a couple times, but. Oh god. Yeah, he got snowed in. But that's, that's our local cryptid. And these people got the frog man, so I'm a little jealous. Because, magical frogs.

Kenny: Magical frogs is a lot more interesting. The Forg Wizard is a lot cooler than, yeah.

Garrett: Yes, Forg Wizard is a lot more cash money than Crazy Gary.

Kenny: What other thoughts do you have?

Garrett: Well, I did notice I misspoke when I, uh, was talking about the one story with the looking into the windows. That was in 2000, wasn't it?

Yeah. Yeah. I said 1970. So [00:30:00] to recant a lot of what I was saying with the, the mom, uh, yeah, that bitch should have known better. It was 2000. We have already had the missing kids on the milk carton incident. Like this is well known that kids get abducted. Like this is after John Wayne Gacy. This is after freaking Ed Kemper.

This is after like all these other crazy, some bitches like, and you're just like, it's probably nothing. It's a prowler in the window at your children. And you're just like, Nothing. It's fine. Ain't nobody out here. It's like a bitch. Excuse me. I guarantee you somebody at some point knows where you live You the phone book bitch, you know, you got your name got your address Somebody just got a follow your ass be like, oh they got kids and a dumb mom apparently apparently Meanwhile, you're like, oh, it's the crazy frog man.

It's a [00:31:00] chomo trying to get your damn kids

Yeah, so I recant of the uh, oh it was probably nothing saying yeah, there's no no bitch, you know, it was a prowler

Kenny: Yeah, I don't know what exactly was going on in that case, but it being in the same area as all these other sightings on the same river, it makes me think that maybe it was some kind of cryptid who knows.

Yeah. Overall, I think it's a fun, fun little story. Oh

Garrett: yeah. I dig it. I love it a lot for your frog wizard. Just tell you, but, uh, but if I was going to like, you know, Be objective with it and be like, is it real more than like not, but is it entertaining? Yes. And in fact, I like the idea of a, of a cop trying to ventilate a freaking frog wizard.

Kenny: Yeah, that would, that is, uh, let's say again, let's say it out loud.

Garrett: Frog wizard. That's pretty cool. Nice. And so what would any of your theories be on this? Like as far as like, is it an urban legend? [00:32:00] How would somebody fake it? What were they really seeing?

Kenny: Maybe they saw something, they misidentified and went with it.

But some of the stories, like the first story from the 50s has too many inconsistencies.

Garrett: Yeah, it's very weird.

Kenny: To make sense, like it looks like it may be something. Happened and then it's kind of like a game of telephone Where like the everything got spread and like details got changed So who knows what actually happened on the original sighting for the two sightings with the police officers?

So many weird things have to happen. I mean police officers are supposed to be trained observers They're supposed to be able to see some see something in an event and then make a report about it about what they saw and Be as accurate as like they can

Garrett: yeah granted. This is small town 1950s, but again Yes, like for one most of these men were probably veterans.

I know you're only 10 years removed from like well 15 removed from [00:33:00] World War two I ain't I don't know if it mentioned the age of the officer But like most guys would be trained observers Like you said, I mean you're talking like the depiction of a Four foot tall frog wizard with his wand versus I don't know Maybe he's just all some kid with down syndrome with like a kraut helmet with a flashlight.

Kenny: Oh Anyway, I think it's definitely an interesting story. I wish there'd be more details to come out That would be really really cool or maybe you know Someone maybe in the future someone sighting and we'll get more insight Into what the Loveland frog man is.

Garrett: Yeah. So fingers crossed we get another flap of frogmen.

Catch them bitches in 8k.

Kenny: Anyway, if you're near the little Miami river in Ohio and you happen to see a frog wizard, let us know. And if you've enjoyed this episode of into the riff [00:34:00] podcast, share it with your friends, leave a comment. And if you have any other really cool stories, let us know. Anyway, I hope you have a good night.

Garrett: And if you have. Any old cameras sitting around that, you know, take some nice poto like potato quality photos, send them our way because I would like really be interested in seeing them. It'd be pretty funny. Let's do some fake frog wizard cryptid photos. [00:35:00] Peace!