Dogman: The Upright Walking Canine Cryptid

[00:00:20] Welcome to Enter The Rift Podcast, Season 1, Episode 8.

[00:00:25] On this episode, we're going to be talking about Dogmen.

[00:00:28] I'm your host, Kenny. Joining me is my brother and co-host, Garrett.

[00:00:32] Yo! What up?

[00:00:33] So with Dogmen, what are they?

[00:00:36] Most often they're described kind of like an upright walking canine.

[00:00:42] A better term for everybody to know what most of them look like is just a werewolf.

[00:00:48] Just imagine werewolf in London or something like that.

[00:00:51] Yep.

[00:00:52] If you've seen the movie Van Helsing with Hugh Jackman, some of the Underworld movies.

[00:00:59] Yes, with huge Jackman.

[00:01:01] That's a pretty good depiction of what these things look like.

[00:01:07] Except that there's no transformation from human to monster.

[00:01:11] They're just in the monster form the whole time.

[00:01:14] Some of them have been described as having like black fur.

[00:01:19] I've seen some of them described as white fur.

[00:01:23] A couple of them have been like seen as like a dark brown.

[00:01:28] Some of, and I think there's been one case where it was like a blonde color.

[00:01:33] So you know, you're a golden retriever Dogman.

[00:01:36] Yeah.

[00:01:37] Yeah.

[00:01:37] As far as like the colors go for them, it seems like all the stories I've heard, it's like most of them are at night anyways.

[00:01:43] So it's, they can't really distinguish between it being like a dark gray, a dark brown, or like a full just like black.

[00:01:51] Right.

[00:01:51] There's also been a variety of different eye colors reported.

[00:01:55] So some say they have like bright yellow eyes.

[00:01:59] Some say they have like a blue eye, some glowing red or an amber color.

[00:02:06] And then there's been a couple stories where I've seen where there's pitch black eyes, kind of like black eyed kids.

[00:02:12] Like, you know, it's like no sclera or colors.

[00:02:15] So inky black void.

[00:02:16] I've seen a couple stories where they had those kinds of eyes too.

[00:02:21] Most dog men kind of look like that werewolf where they have like a German shepherd or wolf-like head.

[00:02:28] That's, you know, two to three times the size of a German shepherd head.

[00:02:34] So that's pretty big.

[00:02:35] They're described as anywhere when they stand up on their hind legs, anywhere, I think from six to 10 feet tall and weighing anywhere from like four or 500 pounds to a thousand pounds.

[00:02:47] So very, very, very large, powerful creatures.

[00:02:51] They're also described as being very muscular.

[00:02:54] A lot of people say they look like Arnold Schwarzenegger at his prime with like that kind of musculature.

[00:03:00] So they're a belt, powerful creature.

[00:03:04] That would be like very scary.

[00:03:07] Sometimes they've, instead of like a German shepherd style head, sometimes they say they have more of like a hyena-like head too.

[00:03:14] So if you're more familiar with what a gnoll is from like D&D or Baldur's Gate 3, that would be like pretty scary to see.

[00:03:23] And then a much smaller percentage of dogmen.

[00:03:27] They're different from like the typical dogman.

[00:03:30] Is it the type 3 that's more like primate, kind of like a baboon man?

[00:03:35] Yes.

[00:03:36] So Vic Kundliff from Dogman Encounters Radio has a different classification of them called type 3 dogman.

[00:03:44] It's more like a combination.

[00:03:46] Like if you have a spectrum where Sasquatch is on one end and the dogman is on the other, they're more in the middle.

[00:03:53] So they have more of a hominid appearance.

[00:03:56] They don't have like the haunches like a canine would.

[00:04:01] They have more of like a hominid-like legs, more of a hominid-appearing body.

[00:04:05] But they have almost more like a badminton-ish head.

[00:04:08] Imagine like a bodybuilder furry.

[00:04:10] Yeah.

[00:04:10] Yeah.

[00:04:11] With a big elongated snap.

[00:04:13] A big yoked up freaking furry.

[00:04:16] Yeah, that's kind of what that is.

[00:04:18] Except this one could actually, I would be, well, I don't know which one I'd be more afraid to run into, but.

[00:04:24] Depends on the setting.

[00:04:26] It does.

[00:04:27] Driving in your car and you see one of those, scary, not that bad.

[00:04:31] Walking into a restroom at a convention center and seeing one of them shirtless standing in front of the stall with the door open would be pretty scary.

[00:04:37] Yes, it would be.

[00:04:39] Yeah.

[00:04:39] Yeah.

[00:04:40] Also, you want to avoid any ball pit.

[00:04:42] Those who understand, understand.

[00:04:45] Those who do not, don't Google.

[00:04:47] Exactly.

[00:04:49] Disgusting.

[00:04:51] Dogmen, there's been reports of them all over.

[00:04:54] Most, I think of most reports occurred in the, occur in North America, but they can be found worldwide.

[00:05:02] Most of the time they are in more rural areas.

[00:05:05] However, that's not the only places they're seen.

[00:05:08] Some of them are seen, like, in cities.

[00:05:11] Like, there's been a couple cases seen, like, in Cincinnati, Ohio.

[00:05:14] There's been several seen in larger cities where you really wouldn't think they'd be in there.

[00:05:20] There's been a case where, a sighting in Indianapolis.

[00:05:24] Yeah, Hagerstown, Maryland.

[00:05:26] I saw one, there was a report in Morgantown, West Virginia.

[00:05:30] Yeah, there's been a couple cases in or around Chicago.

[00:05:34] There's been a case reported in Omaha.

[00:05:36] So, these things tend to be more in a rural area, but it doesn't have to be.

[00:05:42] It can also be in major cities, too, which is crazy.

[00:05:47] Just a big furry, hooked on that freaking PCP.

[00:05:51] Okay, let's get into some stories of Dogmen.

[00:05:55] So, this story took place in Burnett County, Wisconsin.

[00:06:00] The story will also be linked down in the show notes.

[00:06:04] It comes from Dogmen Encounters.

[00:06:07] So, definitely check it out if you want to read more about Dogmen.

[00:06:10] I'm a skeptic of the supernatural, but I believe anything is possible.

[00:06:15] I won't discount supernatural occurrences if I can't find a logical explanation for them.

[00:06:21] I've experienced a few incidents I couldn't explain, but I'm going to tell you about the one that freaked me out the most, though.

[00:06:28] I live in the Twin Cities in Minnesota.

[00:06:30] A lot of people in the cities have cabins in either northern Minnesota or rural Wisconsin.

[00:06:36] Our cabin was in rural Wisconsin, in a small town called Danbury.

[00:06:40] The cabin is on Long Lake, at the very end of Long Lake Road.

[00:06:44] Along with the cabin came almost an acre of land covered by thick forest.

[00:06:49] We carved a trail through the land for ATVs and whatnot, so the scene is set.

[00:06:54] Now, about me, I'm an outdoor enthusiast and have been forever.

[00:06:57] I'm 6'4", fit, and have been a hunter since I was like 12.

[00:07:01] I know my environment, the wildlife, and the forest well, and am typically comfortable in the woods.

[00:07:08] I come from a military family and am trained in multiple forms of combat, armed and unarmed.

[00:07:13] I also have extensive firearms training, and as a result, am fairly confident in my ability to defend myself.

[00:07:19] I'm not really scared of people, big predators on the other hand, like bears, wolves, man bear pig, whatever, I'm not a big fan of.

[00:07:27] This brings me to the weirdness.

[00:07:29] I'm 23 now, but at the time of the incident, I was 16.

[00:07:33] Even at 16, I was a decent hunter and had good common sense.

[00:07:37] I was at the cabin with my cousin and grandparents.

[00:07:40] It was the middle of summer, I think July, with hot temps and whatnot.

[00:07:44] My cousin and I were shooting at each other with airsoft guns.

[00:07:48] We had a full-on battle going on throughout the property, including the woods, which were my stocking grounds.

[00:07:53] I was wearing my beady U's, with face cover and all, as well as head-to-coe camo.

[00:08:00] Our battle ended up about 100 yards northwest of the cabin, into the woods.

[00:08:05] We ended the war on the main trail, and were standing and talking about the events that had just transpired.

[00:08:10] I was still on guard because I always am.

[00:08:12] I suppose I could be considered to be a tad paranoid.

[00:08:16] All right, so we were standing there, talking, when I noticed something move at a 12 o'clock, about 50 meters out.

[00:08:23] I got quiet and focused dead ahead, scanning.

[00:08:26] My cousin was still talking, so I'd whispered, shh.

[00:08:30] So he shut up.

[00:08:31] I figured the movement I had seen was just a bird or something, so as a joke, and to freak him out, I told him we were being watched.

[00:08:38] That's when I noticed that the woods were dead quiet.

[00:08:41] No birds were tropering.

[00:08:42] There was no sound.

[00:08:44] That's when I started to think, this only happens when a big predator is around.

[00:08:48] So I started looking even closer.

[00:08:50] That's when I saw it.

[00:08:52] At my 12 o'clock, there was this large animal.

[00:08:54] It had reddish-brown fur and almost blended in perfectly until I focused on it.

[00:09:00] It had long front limbs with what appeared to be formidable claws, and it was standing kind of slouched down against a tree, like it was trying to be stealthy.

[00:09:11] Even though it was standing like that, it was nearly as tall as me.

[00:09:15] The only reason why I saw it was because of its teeth.

[00:09:19] I think it was panting with its whitest teeth were visible.

[00:09:23] It's now to be a tad elongated.

[00:09:25] I couldn't get a better look, because my first thought was, we have to go.

[00:09:29] I even said it out loud.

[00:09:33] My cousin was already freaked.

[00:09:34] When I said those words, he bolted up the trail towards the cabin.

[00:09:38] He nearly left me in the dust, because instead of running when he did, I waited a good three seconds.

[00:09:43] I was being protective of him, keeping my eye on it.

[00:09:47] Until I saw it move, and it was very fast.

[00:09:49] That's when I ran like hell.

[00:09:52] I didn't see which way it ran.

[00:09:54] All I know is that I heard it crashing through the woods.

[00:09:57] My cousin stopped at the shed, which was still 50 meters from the cabin, to wait for me.

[00:10:02] When I caught up, I yelled, go, go, go!

[00:10:05] And we both bolted through the cabin.

[00:10:07] We got inside and shut the door.

[00:10:10] My grandma asked why we looked panicked and had slammed the door shut.

[00:10:13] I knew they wouldn't believe me, so I said we saw a bear.

[00:10:16] My cousin nodded.

[00:10:18] Later that night, after my grandparents went to sleep, we talked about it.

[00:10:22] I asked my cousin if he had seen it.

[00:10:24] He told me that he paused for a second to look back after he ran to see how I was running with him.

[00:10:29] He said that he had seen me still looking at it.

[00:10:31] He said that's when he saw it move, and I run.

[00:10:34] He said he had mostly just seen a flash of fur.

[00:10:36] He went on to say he thought it wasn't the right color to be a bear.

[00:10:40] I also agreed that it wasn't the right color to be one,

[00:10:43] and told him that we only had black bears in the area,

[00:10:46] and that it wasn't built like a bear either.

[00:10:49] I told him I never thought it was a bear.

[00:10:52] He asked me why I lied about it to my grandparents.

[00:10:55] I told him they wouldn't have believed us.

[00:10:57] We've kept it between the two of us, until now.

[00:11:01] Still, the animal didn't match any known regional animal profiles in the area.

[00:11:06] I'm at a loss for what it may have been.

[00:11:08] I do know it was stalking us, though,

[00:11:10] and that it was built like an athletic predator, not like a bear.

[00:11:14] It wasn't as heavy set as a bear would have been.

[00:11:17] After the incident, neither of us would go into the woods on foot, alone, without a gun.

[00:11:23] We generally only went back in the woods on ATVs from that point forward.

[00:11:27] I always loved that cabin up until then.

[00:11:30] Fortunately, the cabin has been sold now.

[00:11:33] Yeah, so you're just playing with your cousin.

[00:11:35] You look over, and you see a giant brown dogman that's been stalking you two.

[00:11:42] Yeah, I mean, the beginning of the story, I'm like, ah, bullshit.

[00:11:47] You know, just because he's like,

[00:11:49] I've been trained in every new martial art.

[00:11:52] I'm six foot two.

[00:11:54] He's over there just bragging about himself,

[00:11:56] and that kind of threw me off a little bit.

[00:11:59] I'm just like, ah.

[00:12:01] Yeah, we have, I mean, yeah, we have Steven Seagal over here.

[00:12:04] Yeah.

[00:12:05] He's just over here like,

[00:12:06] I'm a master at all martial arts.

[00:12:09] But, um, yeah.

[00:12:12] Run around with his little airsoft gun.

[00:12:15] I was 100 yards,

[00:12:16] but now I'm going to use meters.

[00:12:20] But, um, yeah.

[00:12:21] Okay, so I think that this one's probably fictional

[00:12:26] just because, like, the writing of it.

[00:12:28] But it could just also be,

[00:12:31] I'm just going to say,

[00:12:34] hypothetically, if this is a real one,

[00:12:36] then it just so happens to be from a narcissistic service member.

[00:12:42] But, um, taking it face value seriously,

[00:12:46] uh, this would be a pants shitting situation.

[00:12:49] Oh, yeah.

[00:12:50] And that would be, like, really, really scary.

[00:12:54] But then, I think the ending of that story is kind of funny.

[00:12:58] Fortunately, the cabin has been sold now.

[00:13:00] Now it's somebody else's building.

[00:13:00] Yeah, yeah.

[00:13:01] Now it's like,

[00:13:02] don't tell them about the thing that's in the woods.

[00:13:06] But, yeah.

[00:13:07] Look at this lovely little cabin.

[00:13:09] It's on the end.

[00:13:10] It's close to the,

[00:13:11] close to the lake.

[00:13:12] Don't worry about the giant werewolf in the woods.

[00:13:14] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:13:15] And, uh, look at this nice paint.

[00:13:17] Yeah.

[00:13:17] And if you come back around here to the shed,

[00:13:19] you see the guy who's showing the house,

[00:13:21] just kind of like,

[00:13:22] walks up ahead real fast,

[00:13:24] starts kicking some footprints covered up with leaves.

[00:13:28] Pay no mind to the giant monster that's living nearby.

[00:13:31] Big scratch on the side of a tree.

[00:13:33] And, oh, what's that over there?

[00:13:35] Oh, see, uh, we have the Paella woodpecker in the area.

[00:13:39] And you look over 20 feet to the right and there's just a mutilated deer carcass.

[00:13:46] Oh, uh, uh, scavengers.

[00:13:48] But yeah, I don't know what I would do in that situation.

[00:13:51] Uh, if I saw a dog man at all,

[00:13:54] probably shit your pants and run.

[00:13:56] Yeah, probably.

[00:13:58] So this story comes from Phantoms and Monsters.

[00:14:01] And this story takes place in Green County, Pennsylvania.

[00:14:06] In 2002, just two weeks before Christmas,

[00:14:09] I decided to go coyote hunting by myself.

[00:14:12] I was having trouble sleeping.

[00:14:14] No one knew I had left as it's around 1130 PM.

[00:14:17] No cell phones of any kind, which was a bad idea.

[00:14:20] I started my trek as always down a well-used trail

[00:14:23] until I reached a steep section covered with multiflora rose bushes.

[00:14:27] However, I had recently cut a path and it wasn't hard to navigate,

[00:14:31] even in the snow that had been falling.

[00:14:34] I continued down the hill until reaching the large ravine

[00:14:37] that sets not too far from behind my house.

[00:14:40] Then moving to my left, I went about another hundred yards or so.

[00:14:44] I went about another hundred yards or so

[00:14:47] to where the terrain planes out and you can cross a shallow stream.

[00:14:51] I crossed the stream and proceeded to walk up the long,

[00:14:54] snow-covered hillside trail.

[00:14:56] After reaching the top,

[00:14:58] I went into this action of setting up all my gear

[00:15:01] and finding a spot with a good backrest and nice firing lanes.

[00:15:04] My back rested against a large pile of crushed slate.

[00:15:08] My shotgun leveled across my knees.

[00:15:11] I quietly sat there, getting colder and colder

[00:15:13] as more snow covered by the minute.

[00:15:16] After 45 minutes to an hour,

[00:15:18] I decided to quit and pack everything up.

[00:15:20] This is when things got scary.

[00:15:21] I grabbed my red-filtered 1mm candle power field spotlight.

[00:15:27] When I turned it on, I saw it around 10 feet away,

[00:15:31] nose to the ground, in my direction on all fours.

[00:15:35] The light coming on didn't even startle or phase the creature.

[00:15:38] It's like it knew right where I was

[00:15:40] and knew the light would be on it at any second.

[00:15:43] It then took a step toward me and lifted up onto two legs.

[00:15:46] It didn't creak or crack when standing up.

[00:15:49] The only noise that I could note was a low, deep-sounding pop

[00:15:53] in the rib's sternum area.

[00:15:55] It stretched out and puffed its chest as if it wasn't big enough.

[00:15:59] I would have to say that it was at least 7 to 8 feet tall,

[00:16:03] with five-fingered hands with two-inch claws.

[00:16:07] This dogman or cryptid canine never did open its mouth,

[00:16:11] so I couldn't comment on its teeth.

[00:16:13] It took a step towards me as I had my shotgun already leveled.

[00:16:17] I fired a shot that hit it right in the mid-upper portion of its ribs.

[00:16:21] Mind you, that hitting something this close with a 12-gauge shotgun

[00:16:25] usually causes a major hole and nothing would walk away from it.

[00:16:29] I was using number two shot,

[00:16:31] and the wad would have barely opened by the time it hit the creature.

[00:16:35] The shot let loose a mist blood in the red-tinged light at the spotting lamp.

[00:16:39] It let out a loud yelp and then tucked its ears and ran to my right.

[00:16:45] It made it out of the light in two strides.

[00:16:49] I fired two more times at it, but it was too quick and I missed.

[00:16:54] I got up and started walking in the direction it ran,

[00:16:57] forgetting momentarily to reload my shotgun.

[00:16:59] I walked for about 10 feet and found a large pool of blood,

[00:17:03] then walked a few more feet and found less blood.

[00:17:06] This process repeated until I was around 30 feet from where I initially started,

[00:17:11] and there's no blood to be, just footprints.

[00:17:13] As if this thing could quickly regenerate,

[00:17:16] or something to heal itself with such a massive wound.

[00:17:19] I stopped and realized how stupid I was for going after this thing after it just got wounded.

[00:17:24] I didn't know if there may have been more of these creatures in the area,

[00:17:27] or if they hunted in packs.

[00:17:29] I thought I'd just encountered a real-life werewolf.

[00:17:32] I then trudged home in the night with a surely wounded god-knows-what,

[00:17:36] potentially circling me the whole way as I go.

[00:17:38] I took my time getting back.

[00:17:40] It took me two hours to walk what normally took me 20-30 minutes.

[00:17:45] I made it back home, went to bed,

[00:17:47] and never spoke that night again until 2019.

[00:17:51] I hardly hunt anymore due to health problems,

[00:17:53] but even if I was healthy,

[00:17:55] going back out there,

[00:17:57] you would always be looking over your shoulder.

[00:17:59] However, I am working on getting a group of professional cryptid researchers

[00:18:03] to come take a look.

[00:18:06] That story is wild.

[00:18:09] So for people who don't know,

[00:18:11] coyotes are nocturnal,

[00:18:12] so when you go hunt them, you usually do it at night.

[00:18:15] But going out there without telling anybody...

[00:18:17] Yeah, totally by yourself without making anybody else known

[00:18:20] that you're going out.

[00:18:22] That's a really bad idea.

[00:18:24] But can you imagine being there,

[00:18:27] and he didn't even really hear this thing.

[00:18:31] So he just decided he was going to leave,

[00:18:34] and he turned his light on,

[00:18:35] and it was there.

[00:18:37] Like, that is insane.

[00:18:39] Something that big,

[00:18:40] and you didn't hear it.

[00:18:42] Yeah, and the fact that you shot it,

[00:18:44] and then proceeded just to follow the blood trail

[00:18:48] for, like, a few yards.

[00:18:50] I wouldn't have done that.

[00:18:51] If I shot the thing and it ran,

[00:18:53] my ass would be running to get away.

[00:18:57] I mean, he got lucky, too.

[00:18:59] Because what if instead of running off,

[00:19:01] what if the thing decided to go into, like, a rage mode

[00:19:04] and just charge him?

[00:19:04] The thing had two-inch claws.

[00:19:07] Yeah, going to have a five-finger discount on his life.

[00:19:10] The thing would just take his head off.

[00:19:12] That is absolutely crazy to me,

[00:19:14] to see something that close,

[00:19:16] only, like, ten feet away.

[00:19:17] Yeah, and then just proceed to shoot it,

[00:19:18] and then also then hang around for,

[00:19:21] he said, two more hours.

[00:19:24] Because he said, what, that the walk home

[00:19:26] normally takes him 30 minutes,

[00:19:28] but it took him two hours.

[00:19:30] Yeah, and I don't know if that's because he

[00:19:33] stopped and looked every few feet.

[00:19:35] He stopped and was, like, looking around,

[00:19:37] which, I mean, that's kind of fair.

[00:19:38] If you just saw something like that,

[00:19:40] I'd probably be keeping my head on a swivel, too,

[00:19:42] which would slow you down a little bit.

[00:19:43] Yeah, but two hours, holy shit.

[00:19:46] Yeah.

[00:19:47] I mean, it was also during a snowstorm,

[00:19:49] so that probably slowed him down a little bit, too.

[00:19:51] Maybe not a storm, but it was snowing,

[00:19:53] so that would definitely slow you down a little bit.

[00:19:56] Yeah, trudging for snow sucks,

[00:19:57] but I don't know if it's two hours of suck.

[00:19:59] Either way, I just couldn't imagine

[00:20:02] seeing something like that.

[00:20:04] You know, just mind your business

[00:20:06] hunting coyotes, and you look over,

[00:20:07] and there's a werewolf about to eat you.

[00:20:10] Yeah, and it must have been, like,

[00:20:12] a really, like, overcast night

[00:20:14] because if anybody who has been out at night

[00:20:17] during when it's, you know, snow on the ground,

[00:20:20] everything's fairly well lit.

[00:20:22] So for it to be that pitch black out

[00:20:24] where he didn't even see that thing is,

[00:20:27] that's pretty nuts.

[00:20:28] They even think you're,

[00:20:29] oh, yeah, this is a good night.

[00:20:30] I can go hunting.

[00:20:31] Yeah.

[00:20:32] I mean, if it was snowing,

[00:20:33] I imagine it was still cloudy,

[00:20:34] so that probably obscures visibility a little bit,

[00:20:37] but if it wasn't, like,

[00:20:38] if it's, like, a full moon night

[00:20:39] and there's snow on the ground,

[00:20:41] you can see for yards and yards.

[00:20:43] If it's a clear night,

[00:20:43] yeah, you don't even need a flashlight.

[00:20:45] You can just go.

[00:20:47] Yeah.

[00:20:48] So who gets the bright idea?

[00:20:50] Yeah, okay.

[00:20:51] So it's overcast to the point

[00:20:53] where I can't even see that far in front of my face,

[00:20:56] even though there's just a reflection

[00:20:57] of the snow on the ground,

[00:20:58] the light, you know,

[00:20:59] the surroundings,

[00:20:59] and then not tell anybody you're going.

[00:21:03] On top of all that,

[00:21:04] I mean, it just seems like

[00:21:05] it's just dumb decision after dumb decision.

[00:21:08] Yeah, it definitely wasn't well thought out,

[00:21:11] and I think the man was just incredibly lucky.

[00:21:14] Imagine if he decided, like,

[00:21:16] he wanted to wait another five minutes.

[00:21:18] He wouldn't have turned his light on,

[00:21:20] and it probably would have been right on top of him.

[00:21:22] Yeah, he did.

[00:21:24] He got turned into dog food.

[00:21:26] Yeah, and we're not talking Purina.

[00:21:29] So if we go to another part of the country,

[00:21:32] this one, this story takes place

[00:21:35] near the Arizona, California, and Mexican border.

[00:21:40] So over to the southwest from the northeast.

[00:21:43] This story was shared to me

[00:21:44] probably a little over a year ago

[00:21:46] by a U.S. Border Patrol agent

[00:21:48] who obviously wanted to remain anonymous.

[00:21:51] Some of the stories he shared with me

[00:21:53] about working on the southern border

[00:21:55] were interesting,

[00:21:56] including some Bigfoot-type encounters

[00:21:57] with the first incident

[00:21:59] that he experienced with a dog man.

[00:22:01] This occurred when he was still training for his job.

[00:22:04] It really shook him

[00:22:05] because he had never seen anything like it before.

[00:22:07] So he drove around with a senior co-worker,

[00:22:10] a field training officer.

[00:22:12] They were in their Ford truck driving around,

[00:22:14] showing him the checkpoints and hot spots

[00:22:16] where they usually find people

[00:22:17] illegally crossing the border.

[00:22:19] I believe he said he was working

[00:22:21] 10 or 12-hour shifts.

[00:22:23] One night, while he was still fairly new,

[00:22:25] he actually had a cold

[00:22:26] and wasn't feeling very well.

[00:22:28] They were traveling on a dirt road,

[00:22:30] which was part of their normal routine.

[00:22:32] They didn't see any signs of people,

[00:22:34] which they thought was a little odd

[00:22:37] because he says he always sees trash,

[00:22:40] water bottles, or clothes,

[00:22:41] or something out there.

[00:22:43] They got to the turnaround

[00:22:44] and flipped on their spotlights.

[00:22:46] They didn't really see anything,

[00:22:48] and as they're turning around,

[00:22:49] the headlights and the spotlights

[00:22:50] illuminated something in the distance.

[00:22:53] His training officer looked over and said,

[00:22:55] Oh, that's probably just a wild animal.

[00:22:57] We should go take a look.

[00:22:59] They get closer,

[00:23:00] and I guess at this point,

[00:23:01] the terrain got kind of rough,

[00:23:02] so he slowly drove forward.

[00:23:04] While observing this animal,

[00:23:07] they could tell that it had dark black fur,

[00:23:09] but they weren't sure

[00:23:10] what they were looking at.

[00:23:12] Maybe we should just leave it alone?

[00:23:13] He was really urging the training officer

[00:23:15] that they should get out of there.

[00:23:18] His response was,

[00:23:19] No, we need to go check it out.

[00:23:21] Then it clicked with the training officer

[00:23:22] that something wasn't right.

[00:23:24] It looked like a bear hunched over

[00:23:26] while eating something.

[00:23:27] They got within 30 yards of it,

[00:23:29] a good distance,

[00:23:30] but still close enough

[00:23:31] that they could see what was going on.

[00:23:33] At this point,

[00:23:34] they flipped on another set of bright lights

[00:23:35] from the light bar on the cab roof.

[00:23:37] This creature lit up,

[00:23:39] then it stood up.

[00:23:40] He thought it was a giant man

[00:23:42] with a fur coat,

[00:23:43] but as it turned around,

[00:23:45] he noticed it had this dog's head

[00:23:46] like a wolf's head.

[00:23:48] It was all black,

[00:23:49] and you could see the eyes.

[00:23:51] The eye shine was reflecting an amber tint.

[00:23:53] It was very muscular

[00:23:55] and had broad shoulders,

[00:23:56] and it was way too huge

[00:23:58] to be a dog or wolf.

[00:24:00] Then it stood up on its back legs.

[00:24:02] He immediately stopped the truck

[00:24:04] as they watched this upright canine

[00:24:05] looking at them.

[00:24:06] After several seconds,

[00:24:08] this dogman

[00:24:09] eventually took a step towards them.

[00:24:12] Then it took another step,

[00:24:14] and it was close in distance.

[00:24:15] It wasn't walking fast,

[00:24:17] but its strides were so huge,

[00:24:19] and it was just getting closer and closer.

[00:24:22] As he threw the truck into reverse,

[00:24:24] the dogman opens its mouth a little bit

[00:24:26] and hunched over

[00:24:27] like it was sizing up its prey.

[00:24:29] He quickly turned the truck around

[00:24:31] and drove away from the creature.

[00:24:32] He looked in the rear view,

[00:24:34] and he could still see the dogman

[00:24:36] illuminated by the red rear lights.

[00:24:38] He said he'd never seen anything like that

[00:24:40] and scared the crap out of him.

[00:24:42] They directly drove back to the station.

[00:24:44] His training officer said it was just a big dog,

[00:24:47] but don't talk about it with anyone.

[00:24:49] They didn't mention it in their nightly report.

[00:24:53] Occasionally, you'll pick up migrants

[00:24:55] that will talk about the Lobos

[00:24:56] or the big hairy man

[00:24:57] and other strange stuff in the desert.

[00:25:01] So that's pretty interesting.

[00:25:05] Just a big dude wearing a pimp coat

[00:25:08] eating some illegal alien.

[00:25:10] Yeah.

[00:25:11] If it was like an actual...

[00:25:14] I feel like the accounts

[00:25:16] are a little bit more,

[00:25:18] I don't know, believable

[00:25:19] if it comes from someone that's...

[00:25:22] Who's like a train observer.

[00:25:24] Yeah, so...

[00:25:26] Yeah, obviously,

[00:25:27] people who are trained observers

[00:25:28] like border agents

[00:25:29] or police officers

[00:25:30] or rangers

[00:25:32] or whoever

[00:25:33] can still lie.

[00:25:35] Yeah, everyone can.

[00:25:36] Yeah, or lie, embellish,

[00:25:38] or the story...

[00:25:39] Like, this isn't even like...

[00:25:40] This is like secondhand information.

[00:25:42] This isn't even from

[00:25:44] the agent himself directly.

[00:25:46] Right.

[00:25:46] But I feel like it is more believable

[00:25:48] when you are a trained observer...

[00:25:50] When it is coming from a trained observer

[00:25:52] because they're used to, like,

[00:25:55] reporting on things.

[00:25:55] So I feel like they're going to remember

[00:25:57] more details.

[00:25:59] Yeah, and they're not going to add

[00:26:00] or embellish, like...

[00:26:02] Like the first story.

[00:26:04] That seemed like a little...

[00:26:06] Meh.

[00:26:07] But this one seemed

[00:26:08] a little bit more, like,

[00:26:11] believable.

[00:26:12] You know, they pulled up on it.

[00:26:13] They didn't do anything crazy with it.

[00:26:16] You know, they didn't try shooting it.

[00:26:17] They didn't get an all-out, you know,

[00:26:18] fight with the dang thing.

[00:26:20] They just kind of saw it

[00:26:21] and noped out of there

[00:26:22] and then said,

[00:26:23] don't tell anybody about this shit.

[00:26:24] Yeah.

[00:26:25] You just saw a big dog.

[00:26:26] But don't tell anybody.

[00:26:27] If it's just a big dog...

[00:26:29] Yeah.

[00:26:29] No one's going to care

[00:26:30] if you saw a big dog.

[00:26:31] Right.

[00:26:32] So this is obviously something else.

[00:26:36] Yeah, this one's a lot more,

[00:26:38] I would say,

[00:26:41] palatable

[00:26:41] for, like, the believability

[00:26:44] versus, like,

[00:26:44] a few that we have seen.

[00:26:47] Many of those, like,

[00:26:48] dog man stories

[00:26:49] you can see on the internet,

[00:26:51] some of them are, like,

[00:26:51] clearly just, like,

[00:26:52] fan fiction

[00:26:54] because

[00:26:55] some of the details

[00:26:56] are so just, like,

[00:26:57] meticulous

[00:26:58] that it seems like

[00:26:59] there's no way

[00:27:00] you remember all this stuff.

[00:27:01] You're saying, like,

[00:27:01] you're writing about this

[00:27:02] from, like,

[00:27:03] you're being seven years old

[00:27:04] or

[00:27:04] so this happened,

[00:27:05] like, 40 years ago

[00:27:07] and I saw this

[00:27:07] and this and this

[00:27:08] and they have all these

[00:27:09] details.

[00:27:10] This gave you just, like,

[00:27:12] for the most part,

[00:27:13] it seems like

[00:27:14] the facts of the story,

[00:27:16] general background information

[00:27:18] but nothing, like,

[00:27:19] crazy.

[00:27:20] Yeah.

[00:27:20] This was

[00:27:21] probably because

[00:27:22] it was a second-hand report,

[00:27:24] not a first-hand report.

[00:27:25] It's a little bit more bare-bones

[00:27:26] but it's still interesting

[00:27:28] and at least it shows, like,

[00:27:29] how big of a range

[00:27:31] that these things are seen.

[00:27:33] It's not

[00:27:33] just in one area.

[00:27:35] They're all over.

[00:27:36] Yeah, it's nationwide.

[00:27:37] It's not, like,

[00:27:38] the New England area

[00:27:39] where it's like,

[00:27:40] oh, it's a werewolf.

[00:27:41] Yeah.

[00:27:41] I would say there is

[00:27:42] a lot more

[00:27:43] sightings

[00:27:44] in the Midwest.

[00:27:46] So,

[00:27:46] Michigan

[00:27:47] and Wisconsin,

[00:27:49] those areas

[00:27:50] seem to have a lot

[00:27:51] but they're all over.

[00:27:53] Yeah,

[00:27:54] ranging all the way from,

[00:27:55] well,

[00:27:56] like this story,

[00:27:57] the border of Mexico

[00:27:58] all the way up

[00:27:58] into, like,

[00:27:59] northern Alberta.

[00:28:00] So, it could happen

[00:28:02] to you anywhere.

[00:28:03] Reminds me of those

[00:28:04] old commercials.

[00:28:05] Do you know where

[00:28:06] your kids are tonight?

[00:28:07] They're in the den

[00:28:08] with the Dogman.

[00:28:10] Being nod on.

[00:28:12] Yeah.

[00:28:12] I think Dogman is

[00:28:14] definitely a very

[00:28:15] interesting paranormal

[00:28:17] phenomena or cryptid.

[00:28:19] I feel like

[00:28:19] you didn't

[00:28:20] used to hear

[00:28:21] about them so much.

[00:28:23] Like,

[00:28:23] you heard about

[00:28:24] Bigfoot.

[00:28:25] Yeah,

[00:28:25] it's kind of blown up

[00:28:26] like the Skinwalker

[00:28:27] stories.

[00:28:28] It's so,

[00:28:29] I don't know

[00:28:30] what you would say,

[00:28:31] captivating or salacious

[00:28:32] that it's like

[00:28:34] everybody wants to

[00:28:35] have their own

[00:28:36] Dogman story.

[00:28:37] Everybody wants

[00:28:38] to put that out.

[00:28:38] So,

[00:28:39] there's so many

[00:28:41] stories that have

[00:28:42] blown up

[00:28:42] within the last

[00:28:43] 10,

[00:28:43] 15 years.

[00:28:45] not quite as much

[00:28:46] as Skinwalkers

[00:28:47] because that's like,

[00:28:49] that's all over

[00:28:51] the place

[00:28:51] and like a lot

[00:28:52] of the writing

[00:28:52] on like some

[00:28:53] of those stories

[00:28:54] like it doesn't

[00:28:54] even match to

[00:28:55] like the actual

[00:28:56] like Navajo

[00:28:56] folklore.

[00:28:57] Yeah.

[00:28:58] I feel like they

[00:28:59] just definitely

[00:28:59] just blew up

[00:29:00] in popularity

[00:29:01] and are like

[00:29:03] creepypastas

[00:29:03] and everything.

[00:29:04] Yeah.

[00:29:05] With Dogman,

[00:29:06] I feel like

[00:29:07] some of them

[00:29:08] people actually

[00:29:09] saw something

[00:29:10] they couldn't

[00:29:11] explain it

[00:29:11] like by traditional

[00:29:13] means

[00:29:14] or like they

[00:29:15] maybe they

[00:29:15] actually saw

[00:29:16] like a werewolf.

[00:29:17] Some people

[00:29:17] are definitely

[00:29:18] just writing

[00:29:19] stories to share.

[00:29:21] Yes.

[00:29:22] A lot of this

[00:29:22] is like creative

[00:29:23] writing.

[00:29:24] Like,

[00:29:24] you know,

[00:29:25] like they just

[00:29:26] want to write

[00:29:27] something scary

[00:29:27] and they happen

[00:29:28] to be like,

[00:29:30] you know,

[00:29:31] in the same

[00:29:31] field as us

[00:29:32] and like keep

[00:29:34] listening to

[00:29:35] like multiple

[00:29:36] like scary

[00:29:37] podcasts.

[00:29:37] Like they might

[00:29:38] go jumping over

[00:29:39] into Dogman

[00:29:40] Encounters Radio

[00:29:41] and you know,

[00:29:44] stories.

[00:29:45] I think they

[00:29:45] could write

[00:29:46] one themselves.

[00:29:47] Yeah.

[00:29:48] That seems to

[00:29:49] be a lot of

[00:29:50] the ones you

[00:29:50] find.

[00:29:51] You gotta really

[00:29:52] dig to find a

[00:29:53] nice one.

[00:29:53] It's like really

[00:29:54] believable.

[00:29:55] I know for a

[00:29:56] fact that I

[00:29:56] really wouldn't

[00:29:57] want to run

[00:29:57] into the one

[00:29:58] though.

[00:29:58] Like,

[00:29:59] oh hell no.

[00:30:00] I wouldn't.

[00:30:01] I'm not even

[00:30:01] sure if I would

[00:30:02] want to see a

[00:30:02] Bigfoot.

[00:30:03] Yeah,

[00:30:03] that would be

[00:30:03] scary enough.

[00:30:04] But seeing

[00:30:05] something like a

[00:30:06] werewolf from

[00:30:06] Ben Helsing,

[00:30:07] like,

[00:30:08] oof.

[00:30:09] Yeah,

[00:30:10] I mean,

[00:30:11] I really liked

[00:30:12] the movie

[00:30:13] Werewolf in

[00:30:13] London when I

[00:30:14] was a kid,

[00:30:15] but like,

[00:30:15] I don't want

[00:30:16] to see it.

[00:30:17] Yeah.

[00:30:18] Not in real life.

[00:30:18] Seeing something

[00:30:19] on the screen

[00:30:20] is very different

[00:30:21] than seeing

[00:30:22] something in

[00:30:23] person in

[00:30:24] front of you.

[00:30:25] Yeah,

[00:30:25] I mean,

[00:30:25] shit.

[00:30:26] I remember

[00:30:26] when like,

[00:30:28] you know,

[00:30:28] like we were

[00:30:29] kids and we

[00:30:30] would be out

[00:30:30] in the woods

[00:30:31] playing and

[00:30:31] if like the

[00:30:32] woods went

[00:30:32] quiet,

[00:30:33] I mean,

[00:30:33] we were always

[00:30:34] into like scary

[00:30:36] stories and

[00:30:38] you know,

[00:30:38] like cryptids

[00:30:39] and we were

[00:30:40] always into

[00:30:41] that stuff.

[00:30:42] So every time

[00:30:42] like the woods

[00:30:43] got quiet,

[00:30:44] I instantly got

[00:30:44] paranoid and was

[00:30:45] like,

[00:30:45] oh no,

[00:30:46] oh no.

[00:30:46] So if I actually

[00:30:47] saw that shit,

[00:30:48] I think my mind

[00:30:49] would just break.

[00:30:51] Yeah,

[00:30:52] I don't like,

[00:30:53] oh no,

[00:30:53] it's real.

[00:30:53] I don't know

[00:30:54] what I would have

[00:30:55] done besides

[00:30:56] like run,

[00:30:57] but who knows

[00:30:58] how that would

[00:30:59] have went.

[00:31:00] Yeah,

[00:31:00] right.

[00:31:01] Running from a

[00:31:02] predator.

[00:31:02] Probably not

[00:31:03] the best thing,

[00:31:04] but neither

[00:31:05] is standing

[00:31:06] around.

[00:31:06] Yeah,

[00:31:07] and the closest

[00:31:07] we have gotten

[00:31:08] to is walking

[00:31:09] up on a

[00:31:10] black bear.

[00:31:10] That was fun.

[00:31:12] Not.

[00:31:14] So yeah,

[00:31:15] comparing walking

[00:31:16] up on a black

[00:31:17] bear,

[00:31:17] that was scary

[00:31:18] as crap.

[00:31:19] So I could

[00:31:20] imagine,

[00:31:21] but that's

[00:31:21] something like

[00:31:22] your mind can

[00:31:22] comprehend.

[00:31:24] So like seeing

[00:31:25] something that's

[00:31:26] like a nearly

[00:31:27] nine foot tall

[00:31:30] dog man,

[00:31:31] you know,

[00:31:32] like and fro.

[00:31:33] Yeah,

[00:31:33] that's like four

[00:31:34] times the size

[00:31:35] of a black bear.

[00:31:35] it at nah.

[00:31:36] Yeah.

[00:31:37] Yeah,

[00:31:37] I'm a pass

[00:31:38] on me.

[00:31:39] For sure.

[00:31:40] Now who would

[00:31:41] win in a fight?

[00:31:43] Dog man

[00:31:44] or the goat

[00:31:45] man?

[00:31:46] That's a good

[00:31:46] question.

[00:31:47] In some stories

[00:31:48] I've read the

[00:31:48] goat man has an

[00:31:49] axe,

[00:31:50] so.

[00:31:50] That's what I

[00:31:51] was thinking.

[00:31:52] But I don't

[00:31:52] know.

[00:31:53] Oh,

[00:31:54] she has a

[00:31:54] wicked head

[00:31:54] butt.

[00:31:55] I don't know.

[00:31:56] I think I still

[00:31:57] think dog man

[00:31:57] would win in

[00:31:58] that fight.

[00:31:58] Yeah,

[00:31:59] probably run

[00:32:00] up and grab

[00:32:01] the goat man

[00:32:02] by the horns or

[00:32:03] something and like

[00:32:04] bite him.

[00:32:05] Yeah,

[00:32:06] twist his head

[00:32:06] off.

[00:32:07] I definitely

[00:32:07] think dog

[00:32:08] man would

[00:32:08] win.

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